The Overthinkers
A place where you can have fun thinking deeply about all the big and beautiful questions of life complete with cutaways. Hosts Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson explore subjects of art, faith, philosophy, culture, and more with some of today’s leading and most influential minds and figures. So put your thinking caps and your laughing socks on and come on in!
Episodes

4 days ago
4 days ago
What is beauty? Does it matter? If so, why? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with bestselling author and podcaster Andew Klavan. Further reading
Beauty definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beauty
Philosophers on beauty: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/beauty/
Modern people on beauty: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/07/opinion/andre-aciman-why-is-beauty-important.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/well/live/awe-wonder-dacher-keltner.html
BlessesChrist at the Column (Painting)Fahrenheit 451 (Book)Ecclesiastes (Book in The Bible)Mount Lincoln (Nature)Come Sweet Death (Music)
Conclave (Movie)Keelia Clarkson (Nathan’s wife)Wildcat (Movie)Ode on a Greecian Urn (Poem)Ode to the West Wind (Poem)
CursesBlack Painints by Goya (Paintings)Dead Poets Society (Movie)Anything that is untrue
WebsitesOverthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josepholmesstudios.comAndrew Klavan: andrewklavan.com

Monday May 05, 2025
Monday May 05, 2025
What is shame? And how do we overcome it? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with celebrated author Aimee Byrd her book "Saving Face" about her own journey of shame and healing.Further reading:
Shame definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shame
Shame vs guilt: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/shame#:~:text=Shame%20can%20breed%20feelings%20of,can%20erode%20trust%20over%20time.
Is shame bad? https://brenebrown.com/articles/2013/01/15/shame-v-guilt/
Is shame good? https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/4/18/18308346/shame-toxic-productive
Overcoming shame: https://www.gottman.com/blog/how-to-deal-with-shame/#:~:text=Instead%20of%20%E2%80%9Cbeing%20shame%2C%E2%80%9D,vulnerable%20stories%20in%20safe%20environments.Blesses
The Soul of Shame (Book)Godzilla Minus One (Movie)
The Mule (Movie)Adolescence (TV Show)TIll We Have Faces (Book)Curses
White Lotus Season 3 (TV Show)All Fours (Book)Cabrini (Movie)Yellowstone (TV Show)
Websites:The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josepholmesstudios.comAimee Byrd: https://aimeebyrd.com/

Monday Apr 28, 2025
Monday Apr 28, 2025
Is religion in decline or are we headed for a revival? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with America's leading political scientist Ryan Burge.
Further resourcesKarl Marx thought religion would disappear: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/29/marx-religion-philosophy-opium
Durkheim thought religion would decline/disappear: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0037768614560959?icid=int.sj-abstract.citing-articles.15#:~:text=While%20Durkheim%20held%2C%20as%20did,Pickering%2C%201984:%20445).
Declining religion around the world: https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSNewsShow.jsp?ID=433#:~:text=From%202007%20to%202020%2C%20an,place%20among%20the%20American%20public.https://www.axios.com/2023/10/06/organized-religion-decline-agnostic-atheist-nonreligious
Religious populations having the most kids:https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/12/21/key-findings-from-the-global-religious-futures-project/
Religious in America have the most kids: https://ifstudies.org/blog/americas-growing-religious-secular-fertility-divide
Rise of “Nones” appears to have halted: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/26/us/christianity-us-religious-study-pew.html
BlessesThe Pitt (TV Show)Small ChurchesThe American Religious Landscape (Book)Hacksaw Ridge (Movie)Curses
The White Lotus (TV Show)The Righteous Gemstones (TV Show)God’s Not Dead (Movie)The Front Room (Movie)
WebsitesThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.comRyan Burge: graphsaboutreligion.com

Monday Apr 21, 2025
Monday Apr 21, 2025
Why do people beome (and stay) Christians or any religion whatsoever? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson welcome Nathan Sherrer on the show to discuss their testimonies and what they think that says about faith and belief in the world.
Links to more resources:
Reasons why people believe in Godhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pursuit-peace/201712/the-psychology-religion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/201808/why-do-people-believe-in-god
Intellectuals returning to faith:
https://www.thefp.com/p/how-intellectuals-found-god-ayaan-hirsi-ali-peter-thiel-jordan-peterson
BlessesThe World Ends with You (Video Game)
Mob Psycho 100 (Anime)
All Fired Up (Song)
Evidence for Chrisitanity (Book)
Mere Christianity (Book)
Blue Like Jazz (Book)
On Guard (Book)
Curses
Facing the Giants (Movie)
The Eternals (Movie)
Law of Attraction (Book)
The God Delusion (Book)WebsiteThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com

Monday Apr 14, 2025
Monday Apr 14, 2025
What's The Devil really like according to the original Biblical writers who talked about him? We discuss with writer and filmmaker Jared Brock, author of the new book, "A Devil Called Lucifer".Definitions of The Devil:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Satan
https://www.history.com/topics/folklore/history-of-the-devil
Christiian views of The Devil: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/essay/satan-and-demons/
Blesses
Dardevil (TV Show)
Alan Wake 2 (Video Game)
The Screwtape Letters (Book)
Paradise Lost (Book)
Hellboy: The Crooked Man
Michael Hudson (Economist)
Friday Night Lights (TV Show)
Curse
The Devil’s Advocate (Movie)
Hazbin Hotel (TV Show)
Woe Anyone who makes money from lending (Usery)WebsitesOverthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josepholmesstuidos.comJared Brock: jaredbrock.com

Monday Apr 07, 2025
Monday Apr 07, 2025
Everyone loves Jesus. But who was Jesus? Was he just a historical figure, or was he someone you can have a relationship with today? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with beloved author John Eldredge
Americans positive view of Jesus: https://www.barna.com/research/openness-to-jesus/
Americans belief in Jesus divinity: https://www.barna.com/research/what-do-americans-believe-about-jesus-5-popular-beliefs/
Bart Ehrman on Jesus: https://ehrmanblog.org/who-was-jesus/
Personal relationship with Jesus not in Bible: https://theologyintheraw.com/is-having-a-personal-relationship-with-jesus-a-biblical-concept/#:~:text=If%20by%20%E2%80%9Cpersonal%E2%80%9D%20you%20mean,%3B%20it's%20communal%2C%20not%20individualistic.
Blesses
The Miracle Maker (Movie)
The Jesus I Never Knew (Book)
The Chosen (TV Show)
Curses
Bad Atheist Arguments (Internet)
Magdelene (Movie)
WebsitesThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.com
Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com

Sunday Mar 30, 2025
Sunday Mar 30, 2025
The Holy Spirit is a really important part of Christian theology. But he's also the least understood. What's the traditional Christian understanding of the Holy Spirit? And why does that matter? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson invite author and pastor Tyler Staton to discuss.Link to more resources:
Catholic/Orthodox Split: https://www.britannica.com/event/East-West-Schism-1054Argument for continuationism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNuEImlg3yU&t=2764s&ab_channel=GavinOrtlund
Argument for cessasionism: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/cessationist/BlessesDisappointment with God (Book)Believe Me (Movie)Curses Holy Ghost (Movie)Noah (Movie)WebsitesThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.comTyler Staton: https://www.tylerstaton.com/about

Monday Mar 24, 2025
Monday Mar 24, 2025
Culture wars seem to dominate life today. Should we participate in them, or abandon them? If we should engage with them, how and why? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss.Links to resources
Definition of culture war: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/culture-war
James Davison Hunter on the culture war:
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/08/09/culture-wars-james-davison-hunter-politics
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/20/culture-war-politics-2021-democracy-analysis-489900
Blesses
Trial and Death of Socrates (Book)
The Other Two (TV Show)
Eye in the Sky (Movie)
Curses
The act of announcing to the world you’re taking a break for social media for lent
Captain America: Civil War (Movie)WebsitesThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josepholmesstudios.com

Monday Mar 17, 2025
Monday Mar 17, 2025
Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson talk with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author Walter Hickey about what the research says on how the media we consume really does--and does not--affect us and our lives.
Time people spend with TV/Media: https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2023/tops-of-2023-tv/
Sesame Street improves education outcomes: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/06/sesame-street-preschool-education/396056/
History of the Hayes Code: https://www.britannica.com/art/Hays-CodeBlessesBednobs and Broomsticks (Movie)Spider-Man 2 (Movie)
You Are What You Watch (Book)Through a Screen Darkly (Book)The Truman Show (Movie)FLow (Movie)CursesHeart Eyes (Movie)
La La Land (Movie)The Show Recommended by the Algorithm
WebsitesThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.comWalter Hickey: https://walthickey.com/

Monday Mar 10, 2025
Monday Mar 10, 2025
We all love heroes. But not all heroes are created equal. What makes a hero that can stand the test of time and also make us better? Nathan Clarkson and Joseph Holmes discuss. Resource Links
Hero definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hero
Different cultural ideas of heroes: https://www.cam.ac.uk/system/files/heroes_teacher_resources_.pdf
Why Vince Gilligan thinks we need more heroes: https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-good-guys-walter-white-1236309604/
Blesses
Gotham Knights
Daredevil
The Incredibles
Chronicles of Narnia
Superman for All Seasons
Dune: Part Two
Curses
Captain America: Brave New World
The BoysWebsitesThe Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.worldNathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.meJoseph Holmes: josephholmesstudios.com

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A home for the creative intellectual who wants to have fun thinking deeply. Through interviews with influential and interesting guests; The Overthinkers ask the big and beautiful life-questions about faith, philosophy, art, culture, and humanity. Come and join the often deep and always hilarious conversation.